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« Reply #270 on: August 23, 2009, 05:35:37 PM »

wow, you guys can say that again, that work is amazing.  I only wish I had a large enough shop to work like that let alone the skill.  Smile
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« Reply #271 on: August 26, 2009, 09:20:59 AM »

just one word:  what the fu** ( oke 3 than)

great work  Thumbs up
nice to see another person what so much skills

are we still looking for an candidate for the award plaque :  voila
i vote nightowl  Yihaw !

are there any polished f-16?? i think i would never painted  Thumbs up

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« Reply #272 on: August 26, 2009, 12:43:11 PM »

I'm sorry I have no words   
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« Reply #273 on: September 11, 2009, 11:00:49 AM »

((Sorry to here about the ankle and wish you quick recovery))

ah ah.. I am really speechless here! I am at lose of words.. I just can't describe what I am witnessing here! I spent the last two nights going through this report and its pictures

Man you made not only my day .. but my whole year.. I was reluctant to start on my pit structure for months because I don't know where and how to start. I was hoping either Jason or Fayaz (rimi) will produce metal plans.

Inspired by your work I will brush the dust away from my jigsaw, buy some alu panels and cut away! with trial and error and experimenting I'll be able to do it!

Be advised there are a lot of incoming questions coming your way as I wake up from my astonishment and collect my thoughts.. Smiley

Admins: Would it be possible to fix the images links and the few 1st pages? This is very important write up and reference for all VP community
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« Reply #274 on: September 11, 2009, 03:07:23 PM »

Admins: Would it be possible to fix the images links and the few 1st pages? This is very important write up and reference for all VP community

I fully agree with you Falcon. Can you fix the problem asap, please?

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« Reply #275 on: September 11, 2009, 03:11:13 PM »

Man you made not only my day .. but my whole year.. I was reluctant to start on my pit structure for months because I don't know where and how to start. I was hoping either Jason or Fayaz (rimi) will produce metal plans.

I don't think that you need a spicial plan for metal work. All you need to do is reading "Nightowl's progress report".

I can help you with consoles if you need  Wink
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« Reply #276 on: October 04, 2009, 06:02:41 AM »

Hi Nightowl
Out of respect for your great work I've tried to search through your thread to answer a query for myself but that was to no avail... ( sorry if I'm blind )

Can I please ask how you built the aluminium ribs, at least to allow the external skins to be riveted on ?

Most of the plans around here depict sold ribs , they are quite thick ( 1-2 cm ), and support the external skins being drilled, glued or screwed directly onto them, in a "T-join" fashion.

That scenario is not possible with aluminium.. Can you please elaborate on how you fixed the outer skin to the internal ribs ?

I too am considering aluminium. Mostly for strength, and that is because I want to build a motion pit at some stage this millenia. The ribs would need to be rivited to the outer skin, or perhaps braze joined/welded. However, a T join between a solid rib and the outer skin is not worth the hassle.. So, I would assume that you need to form the solid ribs into a T section before the outer skin is laid over and riveted..

Edit: Finally managed to have another read ( yes I am blind ) and found it... I see that you cut the rib frame and then bent it into place on one side only. Much more simple than my thought... I'll book mark it for others look at the rib construction http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=549.msg66205#msg66205


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« Reply #277 on: November 10, 2009, 04:02:13 AM »

Hi folks,

I thought I would follow Nigels suggestion and try and make a step by step picture tutorial on making one of the pit parts from start to finish.   
Unfortunately, the next part lined up to be made was the left hand maintenance door panel, which isnt very sexy, but there might be a few parts of the construction process that others might find helpful.
 
Due to the slope of the hull structure the door opening isnt exactly square, so first stage was to make a cardboard template that fitted the opening. The top of the door is a straight line but the difficult part is getting the curved rear part of the door to match the opening.



This was basically just trial and error , but once the template mated up at the back,  it was easy to scribe the shape at the front of the door while it was in place. The top and bottom are straight lines, so I just needed to ensure that they were in the right place.

Once I was happy with the shape of the template I  started transfering the information to the sheet of Aluminium ( 1.6mm H32 5005 in this case ). I needed to deduct a few mm for the door to body clearance and  another 1 to 2mm for the thickness of the fold, then I was able to scribe the template onto the sheet of aluminium.

The scribe line in this case was going to be the centre line for the fold, so I then added another 20mm onto the outside of the scribed line for the flap of aluminium that would be folded back and this was the shape that I was ready to cut out. I used a  jigsaw to roughly cut the door out oversize and then trimmed to size with the gilbow cutters, then Finished off by lightly filing the edges smooth.



Because there is quite a curve in the front and rear edges of the door and because the flap was going to be folded 180 degrees back on itself, I decided to use a router to cut a groove along the fold line.This helped to position the fold where I wanted it and enabled the edge to be flattened easier.

Once the shape was cutout, I set up the router with a V shaped Cutting blade and attached an adjustable wheel to follow the outline of  sheet. The wheel is adjusted so that the cutter is set 20mm from the edge of the sheet .



If trying this, You will need to experiment with the depth of the cutting blade on a piece of scrap aluminium sheet to ensure that the groove is cut at the correct depth - deep enough to assist the fold , but not too deep, which will weaken the edge and could result in splitting along the edge once folded. Use lubricant along the cutting line to prevent clogging and preserve the cutting blade.



Once the grooves were routed , I cleaned out the grooves and cleaned off any remaining lubricant . Thought it would be a good idea to sand the inside of the door for painting at this stage, as easier to sand while in a flat sheet and no rivets poking through.



I then cut a sheet of MDF to a similar curve as the rear edge of the door and clamped the aluminium  between the MDF and the bench, then used a rubber hammer to bend the flap to @ 90 degrees.



Once the flap was at @ 90 degrees, I  replaced the shaped piece of MDF with a piece of 1.6mm aluminium sheet also cut to a similar shape as the door edge and proceeded to rubber hammer the fold nearer to 180 degrees.



Once I reached a certain point where the panel didnt need to be supported I removed the aluminium sheet and was able to hammer the fold flat with the rubber hammer.




I then went over the fold with a heavier engineers hammer to get the fold as flat as possible, using an offcut of aluminium to protect the fold from heavy hammer marks.


 
After repeating the process on the remaining sides, I then had the basic door with 4 sides folded and was ready to start forming the door to shape.


 
Unfortunately I couldn’t photograph the manual forming process, but it is essentially achieved by leaning on the flat part of the sheet on the bench while gradually pulling back on the upper edge.  There is no special science to this, but the idea is to shape the curve gradually and constantly check the piece  against the opening  until you are happy with the shape.
(Drawing to follow)


Once I was happy with the shape and it fitted up against the opening Ok, I drilled the holes to mount the door to the frame.
I am currently using screws and rivnuts to hold the doors in place, but If I can locate the correct Camlocs at an economic price in the future, will look at replacing these.

When the door was screwed into place on the hull structure, I was then able to start marking out where the leading edge triangle would align  and trace the shape of the triangle where it meets the body at the rear to make the filler piece . I  also  marked out and drilled the rivet holes for the two supporting ribs and hinge mounts.




Next stage was to make a former to make the supporting ribs for the door. This was just made using 3 pieces of MDF with the outer sections cut to the shape of the inside of the door.



I used a strip of 1.2mm aluminium sheet for the ribs as it was easier to form into the narrow channel than the 1.6mm. Started off by screwing the strip to the former in a few places.



I then went to work hammering the aluminium into the recess of the former using a piece of wood the right thickness to fit between the sides of the aluminium once formed into the channel of the former. This takes a little while to get to the right shape and you need to keep hammering the edges flat as the aluminium forms into the channel.
 


When finished forming the ribs, they were trimmed down each side and sanded.



I then glued & riveted a strip of 1.6mm to the back of the ribs which is where the rivets holding the ribs to the door were fixed using glue and countersunk rivets.


 
Now came the hard part - Making the Leading Edge triangle  DOH !   

I suspect that this part is a cast Aluminium component on the real aircraft and if I could afford it at the time, it would have been a lot easier to make a wooden replica and get it cast ( maybe further down the track ? )
I started by making the filler panel that goes at the back of the Triangle .



Then tested the fit . This was going to be my reference for shaping  the rest of the Leading Edge.



I then roughly formed two pieces of 1.6mm to shape using whatever method would work ( including bending in a vice & hammering over the shaped wooden block shown in the background of the last rib photo above ).

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« Reply #278 on: November 10, 2009, 04:14:42 AM »

Part 2
Once I had the two pieces roughly formed I fixed them to a piece of MDF at the required spacing and tweaked them into the right shape ( again using whatever method worked ) Very difficult to explainin detail , but hopefully a few pics will give you some idea;
 






I then cut the inner edge of the two pieces to the correct size and mounted them to the back panel, filled the join at the outer edge with a large amount of glue and fixed together with a few rivets.
After a few days when the glue had dried, I drilled out the original rivets, countersunk both sides of the hole then re - riveted using countersunk rivets without the grip shaft . (Will go into this in more depth and post photo later). This enabled both sides of the join to be filled and sanded smooth.



I would have liked to have used real aircraft solid coutersunk rivets for this joint, but have had no luck so far in sourcing solid rivets in  NZ.
Had to do a lot of test fitting during the making of the leading edge triangle, but finally happy with the shape and fit..



I still have a bit of filing on the outer edge to blend it panels behind it but thankfully the door is  nearly finished.

I can appreciate that not many people are going to be wanting to make these doors , but I hope some of the information will be of some help to people in making other parts for their pits.

I will look at posting some info on making the hinges next time and I am still working on the Aluminium tutorial when I get the chance and hope to be able to post this in the near future.

Cheers for now,
nightowl


P.S. my apologies to Taipan as I didnt reply to your previous post Embarrassed ( Very Sorry, I didnt realise that there was a new post at the time).
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« Reply #279 on: November 10, 2009, 04:37:45 AM »

Not a problem at all mate - it's a pleasure to go the whole way through your thread anyway...

Another piece of gold tonight...
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« Reply #280 on: November 10, 2009, 05:06:39 AM »

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Awesome tutorial!  Your work is truly the gold standard. Hail master  Thank you for sharing.

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« Reply #281 on: November 10, 2009, 07:40:43 AM »

OOOHHHEEE I cant take anymore................Damn Nighttowl you handycraft is outstanding, Keep the pics comming and ill keep dreewling  Thumbs up

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« Reply #282 on: November 10, 2009, 04:25:44 PM »

Wonderfull tutorial Nightowl  Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up

you are really my inspiration.

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« Reply #283 on: November 13, 2009, 08:04:23 PM »

Nightowl,
AWESOME work.  I have the front section of a real jet and it needs tons of metal work.  Your tutorial gave me some good ideas. 
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« Reply #284 on: November 14, 2009, 05:30:09 AM »

nice work nightowl Thumbs up Thumbs up

my next pit(number3 Wacko !)wil be also in aluminium and you made a nice tutorial for it,thx Wink

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