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Author Topic: Composite parts  (Read 47934 times)

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2008, 03:51:22 PM »
Guys this is the discouraging part of making replicas.
you spend a lot of time, effort, and money, trying to develop a part and then after you complete the task, you find that your time is not as wisely used as you thought, because for the 50 or 60 dollars that you poured into making a mold (and I am sure it is way more for Valcor) you only sell 2 or 3 copies of the part.
And you loose your backside trying to help people.
You can be sure of this; no one is getting rich making parts.
Except maybe Air Dance!    :lolsign:
Most of us consider ourselves blessed if we break even.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2008, 04:55:50 PM by Kneeling Warrior »
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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2008, 04:41:04 PM »
Except maybe Air Dance!   
Whahaha :D I only wish.... I am constantly thinking what I could do to actually get some income so I can do some major steps on my own pit... the knobs definately are not helping; they mainly cost me a lot of building time... it's not just casting them, it's sorting them, packaging them sorted by panel, stuffing them in a box, printing the packing slip, visiting the post office, following up... loads of time. Would love to be able to automate the whole process, but the quantities are just too low....
Ah you know... I sell some old (non pit-related) stuff every now and then and then I look real long for cheap scores on pit stuff... like the alt... I got an absolute bargain on that one :D

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2008, 04:58:09 PM »
Kim I dont know what happened to the :lolsign: that I had there, but I assure you I wasn't serious.
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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2008, 05:21:02 PM »
Kim I dont know what happened to the :lolsign: that I had there, but I assure you I wasn't serious.

That guy with the LOL-sign went out to have lunch... what a slacker, ey ?! :D

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2008, 06:24:31 PM »
Except maybe Air Dance!   
Whahaha :D I only wish.... I am constantly thinking what I could do to actually get some income so I can do some major steps on my own pit... the knobs definately are not helping; they mainly cost me a lot of building time... it's not just casting them, it's sorting them, packaging them sorted by panel, stuffing them in a box, printing the packing slip, visiting the post office, following up... loads of time. Would love to be able to automate the whole process, but the quantities are just too low....
Ah you know... I sell some old (non pit-related) stuff every now and then and then I look real long for cheap scores on pit stuff... like the alt... I got an absolute bargain on that one :D

AiRdAnce you are absolutely right. Making the parts is only half the battle. That's why Showtime and I are partners with Penny. She takes care of all the tedious things we don't have time to do. If It were not for her we probably would not build any parts for sale. She and her husband were a blessing for us. We all work well together and we have the same goals.

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2008, 06:35:19 PM »
Guys this is the discouraging part of making replicas.
you spend a lot of time, effort, and money, trying to develop a part and then after you complete the task, you find that your time is not as wisely used as you thought, because for the 50 or 60 dollars that you poured into making a mold (and I am sure it is way more for Valcor) you only sell 2 or 3 copies of the part.
And you loose your backside trying to help people.


Weather you spend fifty dollars of fifteen hundred dollars...a loss is a loss and its still aggravating and disappointing. One just hurts a little more than the other. Haha! One of the most frustrating things about building parts for other people is that you don't have time to work on your pit. Haha! Pretty soon you forget why you got into this whole simulator thing to begin with. Haha! You have to stay focused on your goals and fly every chance you get to help you stay on point.

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2008, 10:46:03 PM »
Hello All

Does anyone know the history behind the two different versions of Leg guards used on the various F-16 blocks, and what was the reason behind the design change from one to the other?

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One piece pedestal leg guard.


Three piece pedestal leg guard.


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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2008, 12:09:19 AM »
Nope, but like I told Penny tonight "I like the first one that you made better" for me anyway.
It will be easier to install, and it wont stick out as far.

Just my 2 penny's worth. :D
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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2008, 03:33:52 AM »
Hello All

Does anyone know the history behind the two different versions of Leg guards used on the various F-16 blocks, and what was the reason behind the design change from one to the other?

Valcor


One piece pedestal leg guard.


Three piece pedestal leg guard.



The first one showed cracks more often because of the movement of the HUD, due to the G-forces. The second one is screwed to the HUD but can slide in the connections on the center pedestal.

Raymond

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2008, 05:56:44 AM »
Hy,

Just can say, nice piece of ..... glare shield  :thumbsup:  :clap:

I want one!!!!!  :cheerleader:

Just one question: What about the cutout for the HUD?


(pic taken from xflight.de)

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2008, 12:26:07 PM »
Nope, but like I told Penny tonight "I like the first one that you made better" for me anyway.
It will be easier to install, and it wont stick out as far.

Just my 2 penny's worth. :D

I agree Dunk...it is easer to install but I think the three piece unit looks better. The only problem with the three piece leg guard is that it decreases the leg room on each side by 0.125 in. Some people like me want all the room I can get. Haha!

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2008, 12:49:34 PM »
Hy,

Just can say, nice piece of ..... glare shield  :thumbsup:  :clap:

I want one!!!!!  :cheerleader:

Just one question: What about the cutout for the HUD?


(pic taken from xflight.de)

Regards,
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Hello AJ212

We chose not to customize each Glare Shield by cutting out the HUD support area. Each person that orders the parts are wanting something different. Our goal was to produce a part that can be trimmed to the size of the original part or left as is, which is a usable part. Trimming the composite part down to the original specifications would greatly increase the cost of the part. We found that cost and quality are the main concern for most people who buy our replica parts.

As with other parts we have produced, we usually provide a PDF that contains an instruction set which will assist in cutting and trimming the composite part to the original specifications.  If you cut the composite part to its original specifications without the HUD parts you will ultimately have a Glare Shield with a big hole in the middle. Haha! Something to consider.

Thanks AJ212, I hope that answered you question and thanks for the complement on the new part.
Valcor

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2008, 01:48:42 PM »
I could not resist posting this image.



Just a quick demo of the strength of our prototype Glare Shield. Our neighborhood postman volunteered to demo the strength of the composite material design. Is it me, or are postmen getting prettier? I also stood  on top of the GS and it supported my 200+ pounds. I thought her photo would make a better post. Haha! Thanks for the photo opt Gina!

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2008, 02:41:55 PM »
Hy,

Just can say, nice piece of ..... glare shield  :thumbsup:  :clap:

I want one!!!!!  :cheerleader:

Just one question: What about the cutout for the HUD?


(pic taken from xflight.de)

Regards,
AJ212

Hello AJ212

We chose not to customize each Glare Shield by cutting out the HUD support area. Each person that orders the parts are wanting something different. Our goal was to produce a part that can be trimmed to the size of the original part or left as is, which is a usable part. Trimming the composite part down to the original specifications would greatly increase the cost of the part. We found that cost and quality are the main concern for most people who buy our replica parts.

As with other parts we have produced, we usually provide a PDF that contains an instruction set which will assist in cutting and trimming the composite part to the original specifications.  If you cut the composite part to its original specifications without the HUD parts you will ultimately have a Glare Shield with a big hole in the middle. Haha! Something to consider.

Thanks AJ212, I hope that answered you question and thanks for the complement on the new part.
Valcor



Jep! It totaly aswered my question  :thumbsup: Thanks! By supporting customers with instructions it shouldn't be a big problem to cut the glare shield for the HUD! Thanks again!  ;)

BTW: Can't see your pic of the strength test and, when is the new part available? (Hope i didn't miss a post  :whistle:)

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Re: Composite parts
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2008, 06:27:03 PM »

Jep! It totaly aswered my question  :thumbsup: Thanks! By supporting customers with instructions it shouldn't be a big problem to cut the glare shield for the HUD! Thanks again!  ;)

BTW: Can't see your pic of the strength test and, when is the new part available? (Hope i didn't miss a post  :whistle:)

Regards,
AJ212
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Hello AJ212

Try opening up the post by clicking on the negative (-) icons at the top of the page. That should close the side windows and give you more real estate on your screen. Hopefully you should see the image now.

Valcor