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Title: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on December 11, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
Time to start the planning of my own pit. I always liked the idea of the Akers-Barnes-Cockpit: not too big, easy build and cheap to realize.
On the other hand I love the F-16 and so the idea was born to combine these two things. After a lot of thinking and looking for some A-B-pits and their variants I felt it was time to begin.

As I'm not familiar to CAD but building plastic model kits the first phase of my build will be a 1/6 scale mockup of the future pit.
So I grabbed some Foamboard and PS-plating and I ended up with this puzzle:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/puzzle.jpg)

And hopefully someday I will end here (in 1/1 scale of course  :lol:)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/pit001.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/pit002.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/pit003.jpg)

The whole construction will be made of 19mm and 12mm MDF, the ACES II is from SpeedOne's plans and the center pedestal by Symulate. 2 Thrustmaster Cougar MFD's will be also installed, the HOTAS is a Thrustmaster Warthog plus Slaw RX Viper Rudders. Another variation besides the not 100% to original measures and angles of the F-16 will be the 15" Touchscreen in front (as my onboard-entertainment-system  :biggrin:) and the main monitor is a 40" Philips BDM4065UC.

Up to this point it was a lot of fun - hopefully I will be able to build it also in 1/1  :yihaw:

Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: NOCS on December 11, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
Very nice project
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: opasi on December 11, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
Cool, Man!
Bravo. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Rufus on December 11, 2016, 03:58:45 PM
That is way cool... :thumbsup: !  I love mock-ups.
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Boomer on December 11, 2016, 06:22:44 PM
That's really good!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: wralex on December 11, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
Really cool!  :beer2:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: henkie on December 12, 2016, 09:16:16 AM
Really nice job  :thumbsup:
This is a darn fine approach to visualize your dream - and keeping it alive  ;D

Did you find "issues" in the mock-up that will now be avoided when realizing the full scale "thing" ???
Even if you only found one issue, it paid off to start with the mock-up  :bounce2:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: mcfrag0815 on December 12, 2016, 12:54:27 PM
No major issues yet - but it helped a lot to minimize the material usage and calculating the needed material :countingmoney:
So I think it was already worth it - and besides that its a lot of fun to build a miniature pit.
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Zandor on December 14, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
I really like it......very similar to my old build....keep us posted! :beer:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: mcfrag0815 on January 06, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
Not really an update on my A/B-Viper-Hybrid-Pit, but I wanted to share this with you.

In preparation of the upcoming Cockpit and AcesII build it was necessary to change my working space because we're living in a flat and I don't have a whole room as a workshop and space is very limited. So a lot of new furnitures were ordered and the old inventory had to be removed.
And then I had this moment while disassembling my IKEA of Sweden IVAR-shelf and I hold this side panel in my hands and I begun to think... and I made a quick plan.

3 hours later it looked like this, only using the materials from my old workspace

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/IMG_5374.jpg)


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/Simpit/IMG_5377.jpg)

So what I've learned is that sometimes a good Idea will lead to a goal but what's much more important:

IKEA of Sweden isn't selling only furnitures and screws and their famous Allen wrenches... NO THEY'RE PRODUCING AND SELLING COCKPIT-PARTS AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT    :woo:

Before that I was a Fan of IKEA - but now I'm loving them   :mrgreen:

EDIT: The fairy of orthography had to look over my recent post
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Rufus on January 06, 2017, 11:50:40 PM
That's creative... :notes: ..!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Marvin on January 07, 2017, 12:00:35 AM
Nice use of model work to test your work.  Love it!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: mcfrag0815 on February 18, 2017, 10:24:33 AM
At first: the bad news
The build of my A/B-Viper-Hybrid-Pit design is cancelled until further notice. I realized that the space for my pit is too few (not much but too few is too few)  :grumbl:

But there's also good news:
I will build my IVAR-Design IKEA-pit. The measures are not exactly like the real Viper, but it's better than nothing to fly with.

In the meanwhile I put in the left and right consoles (they're shorter and narrower than the real ones but the angles are correct) and actually I'm building the CP from Sy's plans with a few simplifications.
The finished pit won't have full functionality but fake panels as close to the original as possible. The layout has to be changed here and there (especially around the throttle because I use the Warthog throttle).

The whole pit is modular (side consoles, floor, rudder floor, seat base and monitor stand) so it's possible to dismantle the whole pit with very little effort. On final the left and right panels will be separated from the consoles also for better reachability.


Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: Symulate on February 19, 2017, 12:20:03 PM
Nice job with the CP.  I hope the plans were easy to use.  Details PM'd regarding the Instrument Panels as requested.

Thanks,
Sy
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: mcfrag0815 on February 25, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Thank you Sy. Yes, the plans were easy in usage. I only had to modify them a little bit to meet my needs. Especially the front part (consisting of LOWER SPACER 1 to 8) had to be modified because I can't imagine that these tiny pieces can be handmade. You have to CNC or Laser them.

So I made my further progress with the LHS and RHS Instrument Panels. I build them from 3 layers of 6mm MDF. All parts handmade and no powertools were used.
Screens and MFD's are already installed so I think I can go for a first action run... not 100% satisfied with the cabling and installation of the monitor's panels maybe I will rework the backside a little bit.

Oh... and don't even think about mentioning the color of the clamps  :bat:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's Hybrid Pit
Post by: hy-fye1 on February 26, 2017, 01:28:25 AM
Nice work :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on April 25, 2017, 03:39:07 PM
Only small progress in the last weeks. First, I'm trying to build a base for the SSC. As I'm using the Warthog Stick and Throttle I have to heavily modify the pit in these areas. The base of the Warthog Stick is a chunk compared to the Cougar. So not all of the panels will fit in the area.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/SSC_base_001.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/SSC_base_002.jpg)

But I like the way it turns out  :)

The second step was the construction of the ACES II to get rid of the carseat. I mix the plans of SpeedOne and Brenda on this one. Not an exact replica and a lot of simplifications and difference to the original...

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/aces_001.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/aces_002.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/aces_003.jpg)

And finally I built a CPD out of an old 10.4" Tablet and some Plasticard. The Tablet is a Point of View ProTab 3XXL... and this one is... ehrm... slow.
No, not only slow. Let me say it like this: use it as a cutting board for vegetables or meat in the kitchen. But not for serious matters  :bat:
So it will be changed with a Galaxy Tab A 10.1 wich is already here but I haven't modified the CPD housing yet to fit it.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/cp_012.jpg)

With the first fake instruments and panels installed it begins to look and feel like a cockpit  :yihaw:

And maybe the most important thing: after the building session the pit is ready to fly and can be used immediately!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: YetY on April 25, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
Looking good!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clap:

Cheers
YetY
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Rufus on April 25, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
That's looking pretty cool... :thumbsup: ...and I still like the Ikea connection... :whistle: ...
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: hy-fye1 on April 25, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
Nice :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Catcher on April 26, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
Looking good, and btw, never give up building 8)
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Kukki on April 26, 2017, 09:48:29 AM
mcfrag0815 keep up the good work, its so super inspiring to see what people come up with of good ideas  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Keep posting pictures  :beer:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: wralex on April 26, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
Always cool to see different build. Keep it up Mcfrag.
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on April 26, 2017, 03:04:32 PM
Thank you all for the warm words. And even it will never be a "real" F-16-pit I'm beginning to feel at home when I'm entering it  :D
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on April 30, 2017, 05:58:58 AM
This weekend: ACES-time  :yihaw:
I didn't liked the way the front of the seatpan came out. It was just a harsh and straight cut while the original seatpan is curved. So I grabbed the best friend of the scale modeler - PS Plating.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG5400.jpg)

I built up the sides and plated them with small stripes of sheet...

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG5404.jpg)

...and ended up right there:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG5403.jpg)

And now a lot of filling, sanding, filling, sanding, fill.... you know   :lol:

I also worked out the kneeguards a little bit to get them in the correct shape and mounted the seatfront.
Still a long way to go - a long way with a lot of fun in building!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Blue on May 01, 2017, 09:38:09 AM
+1 :)
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Kukki on May 01, 2017, 09:51:54 AM
That is super work, and the ACESII frontcover fits perfect  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on May 09, 2017, 03:34:16 PM
Today I tried building the Glareshield, that's a point I avoided for a while because I had no idea how to do... but today I was very motivated and so I started with the right side without thinking too long (and risking to loose the motivation again).

I printed out plans with dimensions and bending lines and took 3mm acrylic. I cutted the acrylic with my mini-jigsaw and it was a pretty easy job. And then the hardest part of it: the bending. I used a heat gun and warmed the acrylic. As it became soft I laid it over the instrument panel... and this is the result:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG5408.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG5409.jpg)

For my personal premiere in heatbending acrylic I'm a little bit proud how it turned out   :yihaw:
Now off for the left side and painting - and the next big step is done.
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: henkie on May 09, 2017, 04:13:34 PM
You certainly deserve a pat on the shoulder!   :thumbsup:
Learning by doing is a great teacher. Maybe this is already good enough after painting it black, and you can move on. Maybe you think it can be done better -- but you can still move on and return later for pit 2.0  ;D
No matter what you do next   :clap:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on May 09, 2017, 04:31:05 PM
Thank you - and yes there is definately a plan for Center Pedestal 2.0.
I tried for cockpit 2.0 but this discussion was as follows:

Me says: "Honey, I'm afraid I'm getting allergic against the sawdust from all this wood and MDF... I think it's better to build a cockpit out of metal"

She: ":bat:"

So... wood for the moment is really great  :biggrin:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Rufus on May 10, 2017, 01:00:53 AM
That is some seriously nice bending... :hail: ..!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: hy-fye1 on May 10, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
Nice Glareshield :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mrwell on May 10, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
I agree. Great job you did. Correct curves and angles achieved that is not an easy job  :beer:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: YetY on May 13, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
Nice work  you did with the bending. :yihaw: :thumbsup:
Iam to plannining to do it that way.
cheers YetY
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on May 13, 2017, 06:39:46 PM
Thank you. For the first time I'm really happy with it  ;D
Today I finished the left GS and sanded the parts prior to painting. Now I wait for the RAL9017 to arrive  :reading:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5411.jpg)

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5413.jpg)

I also modified the CPD to fit the new Samsung Tablet...
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Rufus on May 13, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
...that's cool...I kinda like them the way they are... :whistle: !
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on May 13, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Frosted Glareshields? Hm... maybe something different  :harhar:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on May 24, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
The next step was a working DED and so I tried the G15-way.
First step: rip apart the G15:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/ded_001.jpg)

Then the DED-Box build of PS-plating:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/ded_002.jpg)

I left space for the buttons of the G15 so I can still navigate the Display:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/ded_003.jpg)

Let there be color   :yihaw:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/ded_004.jpg)

And the final test... is it still working?

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/ded_005.jpg)

But where's light there will also be shadows: As the cable is much too short to mount the PCB of the G15 I ordered a new ribbon cable. But after I installed it, the Display showed only an orange glow - no more content anymore. First I thought that I killed the electronics, but with the original cable it still works.
I took a FFC Type B 32Pin 0.5Pitch AWM 20798 cable for it - I think the same cable as the original one. Maybe it's too long with 50cm and I better choose a shorter one?
Any idea or anyone who build a DED from a G15 too and knows the right cable for it?
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on June 09, 2017, 09:20:55 AM
Until today I couldn't aquire the right ribbon cable for my DED. So I had to go the other way: drill a hole in the CP to fit the G15's PCB. Not beautiful but it's the only solution at the moment.
But I'm going to build a complete new CP anyway because there are a few things that bother me. But it's the same as in scale model building: the first kit is for learning and only prototype but there can be always a second kit to do things right  :D

As I'm not running BMS the DED is driven by AIDA64 - so I could customise the display and switch between 4 different ones. Between fake data from a virtual F-16 there are things like temperature, CPU usage, a clock, usage time and so on.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5425.jpg)

Now I just need a green filter foil for it and my first revision of the DED is finished.

I also worked a little bit on the ACES replica and slowly it's getting ready for some primer.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5427.jpg)

But what's that???  :o

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5428.jpg)

A big mistake was made by me, the sides are too narrow and so the shoulder harness handle wont fit under the armrest...  :rambling: :brickwall:
But I will keep it like this. To change this most of the seat has to be modified - and I don't want to do that (what I've said about prototype in scale modeling..?) even it's really annoying.
I used PS plating for the details as it's easy to cut, sand and glue and also it's really leightweight.
So the whole seat weighed only 19.5 kilograms.

Then I build some detail parts for the seat like the FDR, FDR mounting and some other bits.
Oh, and of course I received some little toys for the further progress of the pit  :yihaw:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5426.jpg)
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on July 08, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
We have progess: the seat was primered and installed in the pit.  :cheerleader:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5444.jpg)

And on the picture you can see, how limited my space is... there is no more space between seat and cabinet, not even a single cm.
But thats not necessarily negative: I can save myself building the parachute container  :biggrin:

Next were the two small Mapboxes. They're build out of grey Polysytrene and the left box is used as a docking station with charge function for a small Android tablet PC and to store my pencils.

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5446.jpg)

Also I panted the CPD-housing and added some fake buttons and a rotary:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5447.jpg)

Next on the list are some tiny parts, like the compass on the right Aux:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5443.jpg)
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Rufus on July 08, 2017, 12:59:47 PM
Really like seeing how much can be done in a small space - way cool!
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Kukki on July 08, 2017, 01:18:57 PM
TOTAL coo mcfrag0815, and you really use all the space you have there  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: looks super good man, keep up the GREAT work my friend  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Boomer on July 10, 2017, 03:31:14 AM
Awesome Job McFrag!!!  :beer:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: mcfrag0815 on August 20, 2017, 01:39:23 PM
Only a small update this time.
As there are many Panels and Instruments only fake in my pit, I've begun with the Caution Panel.
First of all, cutting the indicators out of 2mm Acrylic wich was left over from the Glareshields:

(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5449.jpg)

Then I glued the Indicators into a frame build out of 1x1mm Evergreen Stripes:


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5451.jpg)

And step by step I ended up with the complete indexers:


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5452.jpg)

The Panel itself was build as usual out of Polystyrene-plating:


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5454.jpg)

The indexers were masked and the whole thing was painted in black, followed by a final coat of matte varnish.


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5455.jpg)

Finally I printed the stencils for the indexers on overhead projector foil. They appear white because there is a white PS-plating on the back wich is removable. So I am able to backlight the panel if I decide to do someday  ;D


(http://www.tinwarriors.de/bildextern/bauberichte/SimPit/IMG_5457.jpg)

And that's all for today. I also begun to build the Left Aux Panel as a separate Part, but that will be the stuff for the next update when there's something to show  :bounce2:
Title: Re: mcfrag0815's IKEA IVAR-Pit Project
Post by: Ugamanuga on August 21, 2017, 04:44:32 AM
looking great!
really like your "out of the box thinking".
keep on the good work! :beer: