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Title: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Tulkas on November 24, 2024, 06:59:04 AM
With building decisions made long ago I have run myself into an annoying corner when trying to move from BMS 4.34 to 4.37 regarding MFD extraction. And now I need, as so many other times, some thinking out of the box.

A decade ago, for some reason I don't remember anymore but that probably had to do with the position of the controller board, I mounted the screen for the left MFD upside down. That was not a problem because I could rotate in windows setup.

Later on, to increase the number of screens I could plug, I connected both MFDs screens to a Matrox Dual. So both screens showed as a one and was not possible to rotate them individually. Luckily the old BMS extractor gave the option to rotate the extracted instruments.

Now in the 4.37 we don't have that option with the new RTT, so I'm stuck with an upside down MFD and running out of ideas.

I need some inspiration from the bright people here:
-Would it possible to pull out the old extractor and try to use it with 4.37?
-Would be difficult for the developers to enable a rotation function controlled from a line in the RTT .TXT file?
-Another 3rd party extractor would do the job? I use the old MFDE for instruments but it does not work enymore for MFDs. YAME never was reliable enough for me thought the instruments looked a lot better

Thanks

Tulkas
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Red Dog on November 24, 2024, 07:06:25 AM
Well. I think that your situation is far from ideal and solving it would be much more work but should ease your maintenance in the future
I'm in the same boat, I have to fix one of my screen which is flickering and I need to go deep into the pit and dismantle the whole front panel to replace that damn screen. It's going to take ages
But at some point, there is no way around it.
So my advice to you would be to get into yours and rotate that screen phisically rather than rely on software to do it


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-Would it possible to pull out the old extractor and try to use it with 4.37?
Can't help on a definitive answer but I know that's not the right way to do it. Because even if you succeed any future version might negate that

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-Would be difficult for the developers to enable a rotation function controlled from a line in the RTT .TXT file?
Only your devs can answer and as always it's a question of priority. Since you're a single user with that issue that certainly won't be a priority

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-Another 3rd party extractor would do the job? I use the old MFDE for instruments but it does not work enymore for MFDs. YAME never was reliable enough for me thought the instruments looked a lot better
Helios comes to mind. Works with BMS too - at least it did when I was using BMS. Can't vouch for it with latest release of BMS. Can't say either if you can rotate screens but I think it does

Good luck mate, but my advice is to open your pit and turn that screen 180° once and for all :)
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Cupra on November 24, 2024, 07:40:23 AM
Can´t you just turn the display in Windows itself?
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Bloodhound161 on November 24, 2024, 10:50:44 AM
The MFDs from MFDE doesn‘t work anymore with 4.37, only ADI/BADI, RWR etc.
So RTT is recommend.

As Cupra mentioned I would turn the display in the windows display-Settings.
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Red Dog on November 24, 2024, 11:19:38 AM
Guys Tulkas told you why He can't do it in windows. :)
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Bloodhound161 on November 24, 2024, 01:55:02 PM
Indeed, so he has to turn the display physically...  :brickwall:
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Knight on November 24, 2024, 02:06:30 PM
@Bloodhound161 .

Hi Stefan,  why not use Helios?  I have it fully working.  Very smooth too

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Regards

Knight

Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Bloodhound161 on November 24, 2024, 02:09:35 PM
Sure, of course also a good choice
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Tulkas on November 24, 2024, 03:15:15 PM
Never used Helios, time to take a look. Thanks for the advice, Knight. I always have associated Helios with touchscreens cockpits, I guess that's why it didn't come to mind.

@Bloodhound161 .

Hi Stefan,  why not use Helios?  I have it fully working.  Very smooth to

Knight

Sure, of course also a good choice

Well, if it works, believe me,  a MUCH better choice than ripping apart the cockpit to turn the damn screen  :lol:
Always easier to fix things through software
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Tulkas on March 01, 2025, 04:06:39 AM
@Bloodhound161 .

Hi Stefan,  why not use Helios?  I have it fully working.  Very smooth too

BMS

Regards

Knight

Hey Knight, are you sure you can rotate the MFDs in Helios? I cannot see how, there is the option for other instruments though.
Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: opasi on March 02, 2025, 06:20:43 AM

Hi Tulkas!

Sesrch the BMS website for "Falcon Dislay Extraction"
This is a great tool could help rotate your Monitor.

BR
opasi

Title: Re: BMS 4.37 - rotating RTT extraction
Post by: Marvin on March 02, 2025, 01:29:40 PM
Maybe @jjbravo could add the rotation option back to RTT? 
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