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Author Topic: Red Dog's pit - I finally started  (Read 658272 times)

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« Reply #450 on: November 01, 2006, 01:11:25 AM »
RD,

Your Cockit looks great. BTW, How long it took to assemble the cockpit again?

Mike,

Wow, panels looks great.
"It doesn't suppose look any better then this..."

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« Reply #451 on: November 02, 2006, 05:26:31 AM »
Rich,
it's pretty strong already - I'm sure it will hold. I like them hard  :wink:  so I put a pretty strong compression spring in there, so I had to take care that the rod was strongly secured in the ejection handle.

Mike,
Sorry for the traffic... next time VP goes bandwidth exceeded, I'll have to send funds to your paypal account  8)

Peten,
Well it took me about 3 weeks, because as i said I wanted to do some more work while the cockpit was dissasembled - especially to some area that I can't reach easily when the cockpit is installed.

But when I took the pit apart to go at the show, it took me 6 hours once there to get the cockpit back to ops status tested and all.
I originally planned the pit to be easily taken apart in 5 main components:

- Tub
- Left console
- Right console
- Front console
- Seat

The seat is easy to move - although it's screwed tight in the tub. but only 2 switches and the loudspeakers needs to be disconnected.

The main systems are placed behind the front consoles so I have all my main connection cables leaving from there and half of them go to the right console and the other half go the to left console. Luckily, it's only very few cables, see below.
The USB Hub is in the right console, so all USB plug go from the front console or the left console to the right console. Then only one USB cable goes to the computer.
The power supplies are all in the right consoles as well but I plan on placing one or two in the left console as well. The main problem is that I use them mostly for the ambiant cockpit lighting and I need to go through the INT LIGHT panel switches that are on the right console.

Left console:
1x 20 flat cable for the Xkey connection kit
1x DB9 cable for the UCC system
1x USB out from Leo Bodnar ministick (direct to right console)
1x Cougar throttle cable out (direct to right console)
1x 5V in redirected to a homemade hub
1x 24v in redirected to a homemade hub

Right Console:
1x 20 flat cable for the Xkey connection kit
1x DB9 cable for the UCC system
All USB cables going in
Throttle cable going in
5v and 24v power station.
Rudder cable going in.

Front console
Main UCC system.
Main Xkeys system with  the XKK mainboard
5v and 24v hub

All my cables go through the tub so they are not apparent. It means some needed to be quite lengthened. But it's way better like this.
The only real problem I have with this is the flat cable from the UCC (front console) to the PFD Lcd (Right console) that cannot be lengthened to go through the Tub. So it's the only direct connection I have for the moment.

If you guys are interested, I can try to take some pictures of the connection pass through in the tub and I can try to make a quick drawing of the 5v and 24v system (actually it will help me a great deal as well  :D

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« Reply #452 on: November 20, 2006, 06:30:56 AM »
The work for the past week-end was mainly focused on the cockpit lighting.

Before , I had only one master switch on the NUC panel that turned all the cockpit lights ON. That is backlight for panels, backlight for instruments, spotlights, mag switches coil, floodlights, ...
Thats was very unconfortable since I always needed all the lights ON to have the mag switches coil activated.

The plan was to set different circuits turned ON and OFF by different buttons on the INT LIGHT panel.
Now this is not easy and replicating the real deal might very well be impossible with a limited budget :)


As a start, I didn't use the analogue pots to make the light intensity variable. The regular pot can't hack it. I know there are suitable systems out there but they are expensive and as others have pointed out, it's might just not be that important to have. the pot I installed on the INT LIGHT have a built in button and that's the on I used.

Secondly, i tried as much as I could to keep the same functionnalities of the real system, but I had to compromise sometime since I have two major tension: 5v and 24v mixed in backlight and flood and spotlights,...
Careful planning might have avoided the problem but finding suitable bulbs is a problem - so it's even worse when that bulbs needs to be at a specific tension  :evil:


I have three different sub circuit in 24V:
1. One is always ON - as soon as the power supply master switch is ON. that one is mainly sypplying voltage for all the mag switches, the 2 utility lights that have their own rheostat and switch and the 2 glareshield spot lights that also have their own rheostat and switch.

2. The second circuit is turned ON by the FLOOD INST PANEL knob and supplies all the flood light: included the one I placed on the LEFT console

3. The final one is supplying the backlight for the ICP and gauges on the RIGHT as well as the O? panel backlight which is 24v ??


The second circuit is 5v and mainly for instrument & panel backlight.
As you see for the moment, only the real panels are backlighted. Mike's panel are still far from being lighted. Same goes for the instruments, not all are backlighted yet.
3 sub circuits again. One for the LEFT console, one for the RIGHT console and one for the center panel. The LEFT and RIGHT circuit are put together to be switched by the PRIMARY console knob and the center panel circuit is switched by the PRIMARY  INST panel knob.

The last knob on the INT LIGHT is wired to the UCC and switch the backlight of the UCC driven LCDs such as the PFD, DED and RWR though a simple switch on the UCC box.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 01:35:07 PM by Red Dog »

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« Reply #453 on: November 20, 2006, 08:43:31 AM »
Great post, RedDog!

Nearly the same configuration is planned for my pit, except I don't have any backlightable panels yet. I'm using 12V instead of the 24V, otherwise my system is veeery close to yours.
I guess, I'll copy the idea with the graphical routing for my system, too...

greetings
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« Reply #454 on: November 20, 2006, 10:41:55 AM »
Thanks michi,

i can't read blueprints, CAD or electronic drawings, So I have to find another way  8)

anyway here are the first part of the result of a week-end work's in pictures:


Central panel with backlight only. As usual, the gauges are not that bright, the exposure time was long.


Flood light only - the right console is not as lighted as the left one ... I may need to add a flood light there


Flood light + the 2 utilities lighted as well

More backlight pictures only tonight
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 01:35:21 PM by Red Dog »

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« Reply #455 on: November 20, 2006, 11:18:33 AM »
Man, that is just awesome looking. Wow.


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« Reply #456 on: November 20, 2006, 12:09:06 PM »
Excellent work Oliver!  You've really paid attention to detail.  Great pictures!
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« Reply #457 on: November 20, 2006, 02:52:47 PM »
The main thing I'm grateful for here is the time you put into documenting your progress in the thread. It is very very useful to those of us who are trying to wrestle all the things that have to be thought out when pit building.

So thanks Olivier ;)  Thumbs up!

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« Reply #458 on: November 20, 2006, 02:54:22 PM »
Awesome!  I always get inspired when I see your cockpit Olivier!   :beer:  Keep on rockin!!  :rock:  And keep the cockpit porn pictures coming!!  Thanks for your post on the wiring, I also have a mix of 5 volt and 24 volt and will be doing mine similar to yours.  You don't realize how expensive this hobby is until you start buying electrical components!!!   :shock:


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« Reply #459 on: November 20, 2006, 03:38:30 PM »
Hi Olivier,

Fantastic work as usual :D . I dont have a FCC (yet...., i tried the new one from Eagle, it's a must have..) so i don't have the space for a int.lighting panel. I do use the ELEC switch as the master for the entire pit. It will switch  a relay with enough contacts to give a signal to the interface, and switch the 24V and 5V. From there it will be the same as yours. Does anyone know if this is correct?

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« Reply #460 on: November 20, 2006, 03:56:00 PM »
wow, looks absolutely faboulous !!

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« Reply #461 on: November 20, 2006, 04:39:16 PM »
I have no words..... :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

 :beer:  :beer:

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« Reply #462 on: November 20, 2006, 04:58:34 PM »
Quote from: "Skorp"
I have no words..... :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

 :beer:  :beer:


Of course you didn't have words... you're a spanish speaking man. Oliver... will you marry me? (just interest, nothing to do with love).

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« Reply #463 on: November 20, 2006, 09:17:49 PM »
LOL..thats a hellova post #4...hehe



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« Reply #464 on: November 21, 2006, 02:01:54 AM »
errmmm...I think you have my pit there, can I have it back please?

Beautiful work.

Farenheit