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Red Dog's pit - I finally started
« on: July 29, 2004, 05:33:26 AM »
After spending some months studying the project, I finally started building something.

The idea is to go from the current setup:

to this:


The choice to go for a Viper2 prototype is simply motivated by lack of place. I have a limited space between my bed and my office table to place the cockpit.

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Index of my WIP topic
Hopefully that will allow finding specific things easier
(this is WIP)

. Aces II building: From page 1 to 7
. Front panel building with integration of the UCC: From page 7 to 13
. Modification of the real AUX consoles: (early to late blocks) - Page 10: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg12534#msg12534
. Right side console frame building: Page 13 to 17
. Painting resin panel buttons & knobs - Page 19: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg16189#msg16189
. Creating switch guards - Page 19: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg16261#msg16261
. DZUS rail DIY - Page 20: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg16446#msg16446
. Left side wall: Page 22: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg16933#msg16933
. Cockpit assembled for the first time - now in flying stage (structure) - Page 22: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg17090#msg17090
. Night lighting - Page 23: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg17595#msg17595 & page 31: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg24144#msg24144
. Loulou XKK (X-key kit) - Page 24: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg17964#msg17964
. Documenting your electronical WIP - Page 25: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg18232#msg18232
. DIY custom trackball for pit panel - Page 25: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg18459#msg18459
. Throttle arm installation - Page 28: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg20700#msg20700
. First Backup UHF panel with limited interfacing - Page 29: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg22680#msg22680
. Open door Simware, the first sortie of the pit - Page 30: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg23390#msg23390
. Wiring the ejection handle & comparison old and new viperpanels - Page30: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg23661#msg23661
. Stick base & FCC2 - Page 32: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg24399#msg24399 & Page 43: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg32838#msg32838
. Laser engraved viperpanels & dull coating - Page 33: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg26689#msg26689
. El sheet for backlight experiment - Page 33-34-35: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg27020#msg27020
. Flying the pit - Page 37: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg29793#msg29793 & Page 65: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg64249#msg64249
. UCC DED box - Page 37: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg29829#msg29829
. The spider replica - Page 38 & 39 & 40: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg30298#msg30298
. Implementing Trim wheels - Page 41: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg31473#msg31473
. Servo for needle experiment - Page 43: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg34133#msg34133
. Adding screens in the pit - Rebuilding the CP - Page 44: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg37773#msg37773 & Page 45: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg39359#msg39359 & Page 46 for MFD screens: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg39741#msg39741
. The new CP revision - Page 47: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg40281#msg40281
. Adding the full glareshield - Page 49: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg41316#msg41316
. Implementing CMDS with UCC - Page 52: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg42650#msg42650
. The Viperpit Award - Page 55: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg42650#msg42650
. Throttle fully implemented - Page 56: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg47033#msg47033
. Fighting Multiscreen in 2008 (implementing the HSI 3.5" - Page 59&60: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg54941#msg54941
. Adding the Realsimulator rudder - Page 61: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg56721#msg56721
. Moving from HSI to EHSI - Page 63: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg62606#msg62606
. Tilting the sidestick forward - Page 66: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg66095#msg66095
. Switching from UCC to AIC, implementing aircore needles & Fuel Flow - Page 66: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg70801#msg70801
. Right sidewall & goodies - Page 68: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg81345#msg81345
. Switching from Cougar to Warthog handle (SSC) - Page 69: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg87803#msg87803
. Hotas covers (real ones modified) - Page 69: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg88403#msg88403
. Implementing aircore gauges in the right console - Page 69: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg89944#msg89944
. AIC Caution panel lightboard - Page 70: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg90025#msg90025
. Right side console revision complete - Page 72: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg90448#msg90448
. implementing Viperpanels lasercut EL sheets - Page72 & 73 & 74: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg90462#msg90462
. BMS is released - Page 73: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg96649#msg96649
. Backup UHF fully implemented with AIC - Page 75: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg98636#msg98636
. Trim panel fully implemented needles with AIC - Page 75: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg98770#msg98770
. Refurbishing the TWA with 2 leds per indicator - Page 77: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg109959#msg109959
. Backlight result with EL sheets - Page 78: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg110238#msg110238
. Converting Map lights to led - Page 78: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg110424#msg110424
. Backseat pit temptation - Page 81: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg128358#msg128358 & Page 86: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg133747#msg133747
. Electronic voltage diagrams & Power supply - Page 84: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg132455#msg132455 & http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg132906#msg132906 & Page 85: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg132921#msg132921 & http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg132983#msg132983
. Installing modified map lights in the pit - Page 86: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg133402#msg133402
. Finally a HUD - Page 87: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg136239#msg136239
. Tilting the warthog handle forward with the SSC tailpiece: Page 88: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg141534#msg141534
. Installing Martin's PFD screen & box - Page 89: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg142643#msg142643
. BMS 4.33 is released - Page 89: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg146217#msg146217
. Jetseat in the pit - Page 91: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg150583#msg150583
. New Ramp start video - Page 92: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg155101#msg155101
. Implementing ICP wheel - Page 93: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg156953#msg156953
. Xkeys the old and the new - Page 95: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg159380#msg159380
. Moving Map essay (CPD on IPAd) - Page 97: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg162761#msg162761
. Real Throttle interfacing - Page 97 & 98 & 99: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg163315#msg163315
. Refreshing the engraved lettering paint on the throttle - Page 100: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.msg163450#msg163450
. A tribute to my friend Arend, gone way too soon: page 101: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.1500
. The Acestrix: integration of the gametrix motors Inside the real aces 2 cushions: http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php?topic=537.1515


The Pit project was built in stage starting with the AcesII seat and then the pit structure.
Then came electronics initially with the UCC from sharknoir able to drive lights, speedbrake indicator, CMDS displays, ded, pfd & rwr & magnetic switches and 2 X-keys for keys input.
Very quickly BU0836 and encoder boards were added for analogue and encoder inputs.
Multiscreen remained a large challenge throughout the progress as the pit uses 6 screens and going through a few OS and hardware updates, it is not always easy to manage.
The heart of my flight controls are Thrustmaster Cougars - although i switched the cougar handle for a warthog handle more closely matching the real F-16 and the rudder is from Realsimulator
The UCC was replaced with AIC from vipercore when the AIC offered support for aircores and instrument. Since then AIC became the heart of my pit able to drive all lights, magnetic switches, instruments and specific panels such as the CMDS, BUP UHF, trim, auxcomms, etc etc.
The Xkeys were upgraded to latest revision to allow programming with modern OS, but i still use 2. I'm very close to being saturated though.
DED is from Ghost and his first revision of the ODED screen - PFD is from MArtin's ODED offering

All this run on a single computer Win10 with 1 video card and 2 DP port hub
the software needed for the cockpit to run are:
- MFDE (or YAME - but not yet implemented), Martin's cockpit interface, ghost's ODED interface, TIR5 interface, AIC interface
the pit run Falcon 4 BMS in its latest revision



« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 05:24:01 AM by Red Dog »

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2004, 05:39:31 AM »
Sweet Red Dog, good to see some new blood.  That's a pretty cool seat model you have there.  Is that from one of those 1/12th pit models?  I lov ethe way you have the seat weathered and all, looks very realistic.

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2004, 05:44:08 AM »
Red Dog,
Great to see some picture's of your work, the couple of months studying shure helpt. Now it's only a mather of assemblying the hole thing :D
Keep us posted,

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2004, 05:50:23 AM »
Thanks Jay, that's indeed the famous 1/12th scale model - about time I do a 1/1.
I make so many aircraft models, this is my first 1/1  :lol:

JAK,
Assembling and waiting some parts to arrive in my mailbox :)

Work has begun with the Aces2 seat reproduction. Wood and aluminium will be used and built around a real parachute container (Thanks Marvin :) ) I used Speedone drawings with some correction and a great lot of help from Philippe Marchal a fellow Belgian who built a wonderful reproduction of the seat.

Here's the garage after the first hour of work, so many things left to do  :P

I printed an autocad file from Philippe (cross checked with J.A.K's) realsize to make some paper templates. That eased up a little the cutting process.

I found something I did some 10 years ago that might help this project:


The base of the seat slighly modified to suit my needs:


Different angle:


My first ever part I will do on a milling machine, the ejector seat arm handle. Seems like a simple part to do. I hope to be successful so I can make some other part for the project.


The biggest concern I have for the seat is the head rest, I'll make some test this week-end.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2004, 05:53:20 AM »
Hmmmm ... Red Dog ..... that name's very familiar ..... hmmmm .....  :P

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2004, 06:00:55 AM »
That's funny, I told him the same thing when he posted up a question.  "Hmm, I know I've heard that name before, where was that???"

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2004, 06:03:35 AM »
Just don't tell my lovely wife, okay gents...

James, Shouldn't you be extremely busy preparing something for... you know... ??

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2004, 07:12:53 AM »
Hey, RedDog!

Welcome... "at home" :D.
The model is fantastic, and the first pictures make we want to see mooooooooooore - gimmegimme... ;).
Hopefully you'll have a nice pedal adjust handle in the upcoming days ;)

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2004, 07:56:43 AM »
Red Dog,

Awesome job dude!!  I understand the space thing too!  Once I get my pit completed I will have to move my bedroom into the spare room, and my computer and sim into the bed room.  There just won't be enough room to open the pit up and work on it in the computer room.  I am not too happy about that, and I doubt the G-friend will be either!  :roll:

But hey once you get your pit all done and start flying let me know.  I know this really good website to get some nice checklists for Falcon!  :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2004, 09:04:15 AM »
Great work Red Dog!  Welcome to The Pit.  Sitting in that pit will definitely enhance the realism gained through your checklists!  Oh, and thanks again for all the checklists and maps!

Can't wait to see what's next!
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2004, 05:27:42 PM »
Welcome Red dog, glad you started your project! Interesting Pit also, if I didnt have the room, I would build the same type.

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2004, 05:34:23 PM »
Quote from: "Red Dog"
James, Shouldn't you be extremely busy preparing something for... you know... ??

Yes, it's already consuming all my time. But hoping to have my controllers mounted before then so I can end up in the pit for my last bachelor days ;)

Good to see you have a thread here in this much quieter and peaceful forum! ;)

Cheers!

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2004, 05:03:32 AM »
I know the feeling James, I'm trying to achieve the most of the pit project (without rushing anything) before the birth of the little boy in September :)

Thanks for the warm welcome guys, here's a small update.

I continued milling the arm lever for the seat but I screwed up big time. The mill's vice (?) is not self centering and I couldn't make the curve in one pass. As a consequence I have quite a bad result with the part.

But I know how to fix that with modeller mastic and sanding  :lol:

I also received the instrument set from Reactor one. I redid all images he used originally in higher resolution and more in the MLU standards. He uses 72dpi and it's noticeable at impression. So I redid the instruments from scratch with Photoshop. They are not totally vectorised but they are real size so size should not be altered.
Here's the total set:


Reactor one's work is really great! I'm pretty glad to have these.

Here's a comparison between the 300dpi altimetre (left) and the 72 dpi (right)
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2004, 06:30:26 AM »
Wow.. great pics, Red Dog!

Could you post some pics of the HSI's parts? I'm interested in getting one, but I would like to no, if it would be possible to implement working needles.

If you would like to change the font of the scales to the real one, here is a download link from simpits.org:

http://www.simpits.org/fileproc/dload.php?file=MS33558FONT.ZIP

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2004, 01:33:44 PM »
I did not know that you were so professional in joinery?  :wink:
Cheer Red Dog, that starts really well!!!!

I await the continuation impatiently...

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